Ben thanks for the review and the information on the artillery hold. Here is the rifle shooting instructions I received from the my best shooter instructor years ago. He was an army marksman/sniper. The keys are: first, find the balance point of the particular break barrel (any rifle) with and without the optics. Second place your trigger hand on the rifle and find what that distance is from the balance point to the middle of the palm. Third is placing your forehand or bag at that exact distance forward of the balance point basically having the balance point in the middle of your two hands. I use the trigger hand to hold the rifle butt firmly (not hard) against my shoulder shooting pocket! (Ben knows what a shooting pocket is!!) Make sure your forehand acts like a cupped rest not a hold. This method and being precise it very important and has given me the best shooting results on all the rifles I have ever shot. His favorite quote "if you want precision (shooting) you must practice precision"(hold and trigger control).